{"id":287,"date":"2017-06-03T18:00:13","date_gmt":"2017-06-04T00:00:13","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.irenenorth.com\/writings\/?p=287"},"modified":"2024-04-22T02:46:16","modified_gmt":"2024-04-22T02:46:16","slug":"where-do-we-draw-the-line","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/irenenorth.com\/writings\/2017\/06\/03\/where-do-we-draw-the-line\/","title":{"rendered":"Where do we draw the line?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GRIFFIN.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GRIFFIN.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"573\" height=\"357\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-288\" srcset=\"https:\/\/irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GRIFFIN.jpg 573w, https:\/\/irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/GRIFFIN-300x187.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 573px) 100vw, 573px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Crass jokes and people pushing the envelope has been, and probably always will be, with us. They were written on the walls in Pompeii and the walls of modern public restrooms. We may chuckle or cringe, but how far is too far? And who gets to decide when we have crossed a line.<\/p>\n<p>In the past week, two entertainers have been accused of crossing the line of good taste. One, Kathy Griffin, has been fired from her job and has lost many sponsorship deals. The other, Bill Maher, has apologized for his comments.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Griffin participated in a photo shoot with celebrity photographer Tyler Shields, who then released the now infamous photo above. The backlash was huge. Griffin apologized.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m a comic. I cross the line. I move the line, then I cross it. I went way too far,&#8221; the comedian said in a video posted on Instagram.\u00a0&#8220;The image is too disturbing. I understand how it offends people. It wasn&#8217;t funny. I get it.&#8221; <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<blockquote class=\"instagram-media\" data-instgrm-captioned data-instgrm-version=\"7\" style=\" background:#FFF; border:0; border-radius:3px; box-shadow:0 0 1px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.5),0 1px 10px 0 rgba(0,0,0,0.15); margin: 1px; max-width:658px; padding:0; width:99.375%; width:-webkit-calc(100% - 2px); width:calc(100% - 2px);\">\n<div style=\"padding:8px;\">\n<div style=\" background:#F8F8F8; line-height:0; margin-top:40px; padding:28.125% 0; text-align:center; width:100%;\">\n<div style=\" background:url(data:image\/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACwAAAAsCAMAAAApWqozAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC\/xhBQAAAAFzUkdCAK7OHOkAAAAMUExURczMzPf399fX1+bm5mzY9AMAAADiSURBVDjLvZXbEsMgCES5\/P8\/t9FuRVCRmU73JWlzosgSIIZURCjo\/ad+EQJJB4Hv8BFt+IDpQoCx1wjOSBFhh2XssxEIYn3ulI\/6MNReE07UIWJEv8UEOWDS88LY97kqyTliJKKtuYBbruAyVh5wOHiXmpi5we58Ek028czwyuQdLKPG1Bkb4NnM+VeAnfHqn1k4+GPT6uGQcvu2h2OVuIf\/gWUFyy8OWEpdyZSa3aVCqpVoVvzZZ2VTnn2wU8qzVjDDetO90GSy9mVLqtgYSy231MxrY6I2gGqjrTY0L8fxCxfCBbhWrsYYAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC); display:block; height:44px; margin:0 auto -44px; position:relative; top:-22px; width:44px;\"><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p style=\" margin:8px 0 0 0; padding:0 4px;\"> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/p\/BUvFHboFjHt\/\" style=\" color:#000; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; line-height:17px; text-decoration:none; word-wrap:break-word;\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">I am sorry.  I went too far.  I was wrong.<\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\" color:#c9c8cd; font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; line-height:17px; margin-bottom:0; margin-top:8px; overflow:hidden; padding:8px 0 7px; text-align:center; text-overflow:ellipsis; white-space:nowrap;\">A post shared by Kathy Griffin (@kathygriffin) on <time style=\" font-family:Arial,sans-serif; font-size:14px; line-height:17px;\" datetime=\"2017-05-30T23:53:08+00:00\">May 30, 2017 at 4:53pm PDT<\/time><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p><script async defer src=\"\/\/platform.instagram.com\/en_US\/embeds.js\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>But how far is too far? Griffin&#8217;s attempt at art was to <a href=\"http:\/\/ew.com\/news\/2017\/05\/30\/celebs-slam-kathy-griffin-bloody-trump-photo\/?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter\">mock the president<\/a>, she said. People didn&#8217;t get it.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cI think there will be a lot of people who will absolutely hate this, but again, that\u2019s the beauty of it,\u201d he said. \u201cAm I saying that anyone should actually be killed? No, it\u2019s like a movie. How many movies are there where the president gets killed or this happens? Tons upon tons. But again, when it\u2019s an image, especially an image like this, people don\u2019t see it like that. They see it as reality, and that\u2019s why it\u2019s so shocking to some people.\u201d <\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>There was also backlash to the backlash. In one instance, when Donald Trump Jr. <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/DonaldJTrumpJr\/status\/869641746808008706\">criticized<\/a> Griffin, responses pointed to the distasteful things his father has done.<\/p>\n<p>Others <a href=\"http:\/\/edition.cnn.com\/2017\/06\/01\/politics\/kathy-griffin-ted-nugent-donald-trump\/\">pointed<\/a> to Trump friend Ted Nugent in 2007 when he, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/news\/ted-nugent-threatens-to-kill-barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton-during-vicious-onstage-rant-20070824\">threatened<\/a> \u201cthe lives of Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton\u201d and said Obama could \u201csuck on his machine gun.&#8221; <\/p>\n<p>Did he go too far?<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Ted Nugent was obviously using a figure of speech, unfortunate as it was. It just shows the anger people have towards <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BarackObama\">@BarackObama<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/realDonaldTrump\/status\/193051919260979201\">April 19, 2012<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Nugent <a href=\"https:\/\/www.mediamatters.org\/research\/2017\/06\/02\/fox-news-lets-ted-nugent-call-claim-his-invitation-obama-suck-my-machine-gun-wasn-t-threat\/216769\">told<\/a> FOX News, \u201cI was on stage at a rock-and-roll concert when Obama was a senator, not the president, and I made an outrageous metaphor telling him that we will not accept his gun control laws, but I never threatened anyone.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Except for <a href=\"http:\/\/www.huffingtonpost.com\/entry\/trump-ted-nugent-donald-trump_us_592f1ec9e4b09ec37c31577e\">that time<\/a> when you said Obama should be beheaded and\/or hung. Did that cross a line?<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cI&#8217;m with you on the free speech, and it\u2019s good to see that everyone is condemning Kathy Griffin&#8217;s action, because it is nasty. This is a world of terrorism where beheading is a reality, and she euphemized that, she actually referenced that to the president of the United States. We&#8217;re talking apples and grenades here. I did nothing to harm any one, she came out with symbolism that was truly vile.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Is it not crossing a line when it&#8217;s spoken instead of an art piece? Is it not going to far because you say it at a rock concert or an NRA event?<\/p>\n<p>On Maher&#8217;s Friday, June 2 edition of \u201cReal Time,\u201d Maher was speaking with U.S. Senator Ben Sasse. The <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theguardian.com\/tv-and-radio\/2017\/jun\/03\/bill-maher-hbo-real-time-ben-sasse\">exchange<\/a> went as follows.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Discussing his new book on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday evening, Sasse told Maher he would be welcome in Nebraska as \u201cwe\u2019d love to have you work in the fields with us\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWork in the fields?\u201d Maher replied. \u201cSenator, I\u2019m a house nigger.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>The audience laughed and groaned, with some applause. Sasse kept quiet, before Maher said: \u201cNo, it\u2019s a joke.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Maher and HBO have <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hollywoodreporter.com\/news\/hbo-says-bill-mahers-use-n-word-completely-inexcusable-1010006\">responded<\/a>.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;Friday nights are always my worst night of sleep because I\u2019m up reflecting on the things I should or shouldn\u2019t have said on my live show, Maher said in a statement. &#8220;Last night was a particularly long night as I regret the word I used in the banter of a live moment. The word was offensive and I regret saying it and am very sorry.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Bill Maher\u2019s comment last night was completely inexcusable and tasteless,&#8221; the HBO statement said. &#8220;We are removing his deeply offensive comment from any subsequent airings of the show.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Maher was trying to be funny. However, after reading several stories and hundreds of comments, I have come to realize that many people don&#8217;t know and\/or don&#8217;t understand the context of the phrase.<\/p>\n<p>According to <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/House_Negro\">Wikipedia<\/a>, the term was used in the speech &#8220;Message to the Grass Roots&#8221; (1963) by African-American activist Malcolm X, wherein he explains that during slavery, there were two kinds of slaves: &#8220;house Negroes&#8221;, who worked in the master&#8217;s house, and &#8220;field Negroes&#8221;, who performed the manual labor outside. He characterizes the house Negro as having a better life than the field Negro, and thus being unwilling to leave the plantation and potentially more likely to support existing power structures that favor whites over blacks. Malcolm X identified with the field Negro. <\/p>\n<p>You can read Malcolm X&#8217;s speech <a href=\"http:\/\/ccnmtl.columbia.edu\/projects\/mmt\/mxp\/speeches\/mxa17.html\">here<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Regardless of what Maher was attempting, the joke fell flat. I groaned when he said it. I get what he was trying to say. I just question whether it was the best choice of words, particularly since Sasse wasn&#8217;t going in that direction.<\/p>\n<p>Though no one is seeking an apology from Sasse, he offered one. I&#8217;m not a fan of Sasse, but he did what most of us would probably do. He cringed uncomfortably, but offered no retort. Yes, he should have said something, but I have been in many interviews as a reporter where I wanted to say something, but I was in disbelief that someone could say such things in the 21st century.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Am walking off a redeye from LAX.<br \/>3 reflections on <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/billmaher\">@billmaher<\/a><br \/>1. I\u2019m a 1st Amendment absolutist. Comedians get latitude to cross hard lines.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Ben Sasse (@BenSasse) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BenSasse\/status\/870948100784914432\">June 3, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">2. But free speech comes with a responsibility to speak up when folks use that word. Me just cringing last night wasn\u2019t good enough.<br \/>(2of4?) <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/e4Bw8s8tV2\">https:\/\/t.co\/e4Bw8s8tV2<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Ben Sasse (@BenSasse) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BenSasse\/status\/870948509226328066\">June 3, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">3. Here\u2019s what I wish I\u2019d been quick enough to say in the moment: \u201cHold up, why would you think it\u2019s OK to use that word?&#8230;<br \/>(3of4?) <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/mQL6wMEd7W\">https:\/\/t.co\/mQL6wMEd7W<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Ben Sasse (@BenSasse) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BenSasse\/status\/870949246094258177\">June 3, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">(4of4)<br \/>&quot;&#8230;The history of the n-word is an attack on universal human dignity. It\u2019s therefore an attack on the American Creed. Don&#39;t use it.\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/kEZm5vPFHK\">https:\/\/t.co\/kEZm5vPFHK<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; Ben Sasse (@BenSasse) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BenSasse\/status\/870950043511083008\">June 3, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Like Sasse, I will defend the right to free speech, no matter how distasteful it is. Free speech is fundamental to American society and I wouldn&#8217;t ever want it curbed. We has a society have to decide what is acceptable and what deserves scorn. And there doesn&#8217;t seem to be a consensus.<\/p>\n<p>Why does one group of people become outraged when President Obama was burned in effigy, but are fine with the words Maher used? Why is there such a divide when Kathy Griffin holds up a bloody rubber head of President Trump, but not when Nugent speaks?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/obama-effigy-3.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/obama-effigy-3.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"640\" height=\"640\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-289\" srcset=\"https:\/\/irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/obama-effigy-3.png 640w, https:\/\/irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/obama-effigy-3-300x300.png 300w, https:\/\/irenenorth.com\/writings\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/06\/obama-effigy-3-150x150.png 150w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 640px) 100vw, 640px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Why do we have such a difficult time determining how far is too far?<\/p>\n<p>We can look at other areas of American society where this question has no good conclusions. Rappers use the n-word. They also use the word faggot. Many musicians degrade women. But how far is too far?<\/p>\n<p>Is it <a href=\"https:\/\/www.theatlantic.com\/news\/archive\/2017\/05\/lebron-james-responds-to-racist-vandalism-of-his-la-home\/528771\/\">scrawling racial slurs<\/a> on a basketball player&#8217;s home? Is it <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nbcnewyork.com\/news\/local\/Accused-New-York-Sword-Killer-Facing-Charges-Black-People-416898483.html\">killing people<\/a> because they are different? Is it yelling <a href=\"https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/morning-mix\/wp\/2016\/12\/06\/man-shoves-muslim-new-york-city-transit-worker-down-stairs-shouting-youre-a-terrorist\/\">racial and ethnic slurs<\/a> at someone who has a <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cbsnews.com\/news\/jeremy-joseph-christian-portland-stabbing-suspect-went-on-racist-tirade-night-before-deadly-attack-police\/\">different religion<\/a> than you?<\/p>\n<p>This <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=k9iBnRlbasA\">video<\/a> breaks my heart that I still live in a world where some believe this behavior doesn&#8217;t cross a line.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"WATCH: LeBron James responds after his LA home was vandalized with a racial slur\" width=\"629\" height=\"354\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/k9iBnRlbasA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>If we had a frank discussion, I would suspect more people would find all these actions detestable, yet, when they occur, everyone picks sides and <a href=\"http:\/\/ftw.usatoday.com\/2017\/06\/jason-whitlock-lebron-james-racism-hot-take\">tries to justify<\/a> the behavior.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/notladymary\/status\/870885433957261313\">JC on Twitter<\/a> said, \u201cYeah, I chuckled. Would&#8217;ve been funnier if a black comedian delivered that punchline.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Why? Why does it make it okay to utter certain words if you are a certain race? Is that not hypocrisy?<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-lang=\"en\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">Yeah, I chuckled. Would&#39;ve been funnier if a black comedian delivered that punchline.<\/p>\n<p>&mdash; JC (@notladymary) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/notladymary\/status\/870885433957261313\">June 3, 2017<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>In 2008, al-Qaeda&#8217;s then number two, Ayman al-Zawahiri, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.economist.com\/blogs\/democracyinamerica\/2008\/11\/house_negro\">called<\/a> the newly-elected President Barack Obama a house negro. Was that too far? Or did we dismiss the comment because of who said them? <\/p>\n<p>Where do we draw the line? I don&#8217;t know. The line moves depending on where we are as a society and how much we want to defend that in which we find distasteful. Most would agree the things I&#8217;ve written about here crosses the line, but is it still free speech? Is it too far?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Crass jokes and people pushing the envelope has been, and probably always will be, with us. They were written on the walls in Pompeii and the walls of modern public restrooms. We may chuckle or cringe, but how far is too far? And who gets to decide when we have crossed a line. 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